The image at the end seems to associate Islam with "the Saturn death cult" because the Kaʿaba, which marks our direction of prayer and which we circumambulate in our pilgrimage, is a cube covered in a black cloth. What cubes have to do with Saturn is not quite clear to me from the image, except that there is a hexagonal cloud pattern on the planet Saturn, and a cube is a hexahedron-- I look forward to reading more from you about this, because I have generally agreed with your comments elsewhere about the problem with hunting for evil in shapes and symbols.
Anyway, all that aside, I feel that your understanding of Jesus perhaps has more in common with our beliefs about Jesus than with those of most Christians. For instance, your idea is that Jesus was trying to teach us that death is unnecessary-- but a fairly defining tenet of Christianity is that Jesus died and had to die in order to redeem humanity for our sins, whereas the Qurʾān states emphatically that "they neither killed him nor crucified him, but it was made to seem so to them" (4:157). Plus, we don't believe that Jesus is God or God's son as Christians do, so, while Jesus still has the special status of a Prophet, the idea that others can replicate Jesus' feats (such as raising the dead) is much more intuitive and unproblematic.
This may be jumping the gun a bit, as the text may be difficult to decipher without a base-level knowledge of Islam and the Qurʾān (it's even difficult for those who have one), but you may be interested in Ibn al-ʿArabī's Fuṣūṣ al-ḥikam (translated as "Ringstones of Wisdom," sometimes as "Seals" or "Bezels" of Wisdom), especially the chapter on Jesus. I recommend Caner Dagli's translation especially, for its footnotes.
To escape death, to escape Saturn, to escape the emotions and frequencies of disease, to escape the time lines of our adversaries, we have to change universe, collectively change the rules of the void, the God that all creatures and matter of this universe live under.
For we are all individual fractals of the oneness of the void.
Using scalar wave time warp cubes, is not exactly immortality, it can help you cheat death, there fore change the timelines to beat our adversaries. Our adversaries can tunnel back in time, yet they lack the imagination, to see different futures.
Wooo boy. Okay. I feel compelled to make a general statement about how the comments played out today. I made the decision to block 2 people for how they responded with (what I perceived as) antagonism, and then removed the threads altogether when I felt our exchanges crossed the line into being totally irrelevant and counterproductive to the essay at hand, not to mention just plain insulting towards me personally. (One guy said he "felt sorry for me" that I'm interested in Immortality. Felt sorry for me because I like Living?? We really ARE in the Land of the Dead! Shit only a dead person could say, truly.)
But these exchanges got under my skin all day — which usually doesn't happen to me, because I've been writing on the Internet for a looooong time and consider my skin pretty thick!
So I went inward and asked myself, "Why am I triggered by these misunderstandings?"
And the answer I came up with, is that I'm disappointed.
I have a sincere curiosity & enthusiasm to explore the topic of Immortality. I also have a strong hope (or is it a burning desire? or is it a masochistic expectation?) that my sincerity will "bring out" that same curiosity & enthusiasm in my readers. I think, "This is the most exciting topic EVER! Surely there must be MANY other people who want to talk about it with me!"
So when I'm met with blind, reactive vitriol instead, I question why I even write on this topic.
But! A good idea is not hindered by anxieties about how it will be received. I am grateful for this trigger-fest, for inviting me to re-evaluate my expectations, and possibly change how I navigate "negative" comments in the future. Even after all these years of writing online, there's always room to change and grow, and I am choosing to be enlivened by that prospect rather than discouraged.
And I know that "my people" are out there, also seeking somebody who's eager to dive deep on this topic... somebody like me. So I must keep writing. I WILL keep writing. You can't find people who "speak your language" if you don't, well, speak. 💗
As humans, we have a dual nature. The physical/temporal and the spiritual. The physical/temporal is all about process of integration and disintegration. What humans call "death" is the disintegration of animated integrations that occurs in the process. I tend to think that's real and true -- Jesus, too, died from crucifixion -- but also think that our spiritual nature plays by different rules.
When asking whether it's in our nature to die, the answer is yes and no. I agree with you that too many people seem obsessed with the dying and also seem to split our dual nature by putting off the eternal aspects until after earthly life. The message of Christ is that death, though real, will not be the end of us, due to our dual nature.
I appreciate the time and care with which you wrote your comment, as that's fairly uncommon in conversations about immortality. However, this sentiment you ended with ("death, though real, will not be the end of us") is such a common refrain that I'm wondering if I should've started my Immortalist Church by addressing this sentiment before writing anything else.
I think I have a pretty good idea of why, generally, people automatically respond to my essays about physical immortality by reminding me that our SOULS are immortal (the implication being that pursuing bodily immortality, or even just talking about it, is a misguided endeavor on my part).
But after over a year of putting Immortalist content into the public eye, hearing this same sentiment over and over again (not from you specifically, but from many people) is starting to feel dismissive, or like a Collective deflection from the deeper conversation I'm attempting to have.
To some degree, I expect this deflection, because I know it's not *intended* as a deflection -- I see it more as a byproduct of the deep, deep conditioning we've all received around Death as an inevitability, and therefore I know I'm not personally being dismissed.
But to a higher degree, I also expect more of these conversations, because I feel the stirring in my soul to challenge anything that attempts to limit us. If we are just supposed to resign to Death as if it's our fate, why were 3 resurrection stories included in the Gospels? Why would God take the form of a man and bring people back to life physically, if only our souls are meant to be eternal?
All of this is to say: You can rest assured that I am not only aware that we have eternal souls, but that I have thoroughly, deeply, intricately considered the implications thereof. So I am asking you, in return, to consider that if I'm continuing to write elaborate essays about PHYSICAL immortality (specifically through the lens of Jesus Christ's teachings) after all this time, then there's a very purposeful reason I'm still motivated to do so -- and I've probably already considered the counter-points that may or may not be waiting at your fingertips.
I say that with sincere respect, as I have read a number of your essays and genuinely appreciate your heart-centered approach to Christianity.
Your article seemed to be about the essence of natures (and Nature) and of death:
> Death may not be necessary for Nature to function. ... 1. Nature as we currently experience it, isn’t necessarily all there is or all there ever has been. And, 2. we know what is possible based on what we’re able to conceive of in our imaginations.
It's an interesting topic, especially since human nature contains tension and apparent dissonance. We're immersed in process, but can crave permanence. We live linearly, but can do things like remember the past and imagine the future that bend the line in on itself. We have limitation, but can seek to test and expand those limits and wonder about limitlessness.
I'm new to your Substack; do you have some past writings where you define death and nature sufficiently for the task at hand?
Thank you for asking this question, because right up until this moment, I did not realize that the "Chrysticism" category is not visible on the mobile app. I'm so accustomed to using Substack on my desktop, where all my tagged series posts are in neat little rows. Just yesterday I added the "Immortalist Christian" posts to the new website I'm building, and the current hyperlink for those essays is this: https://immortalitychurch.wordpress.com/category/essays/
Congrats and blessings to you on your Baptism this summer, and for your journey away from an church upbringing that didn't point you toward the inexhaustible depth of Christ.
I read your Essays tab, and I haven't seen you define nature, Nature, or death. It makes it difficult to know what you're writing about. If death is so bad, what is it? Not how to people react to it, or how many derivatives can be made from it ("ego-death"), but what *is* it, deeply? What is the nature of a thing? What is Nature?
The first essay is at the bottom, and it's called "Questioning Death." You might choose to read in order from bottom to top, which is oldest to newest.
Most people don’t know the grim reaper is actually Saturn (ie Abraxas=the demiurge). The scythe he carries represents harvest… processing life for consumption. Everything here is based on consumption, which can’t be a good gods design. Meaning the real god never created death. Saturn is also the god of time. Scientists have already proved that aging is a disease.
I enjoy the way you think, and your ideas about Christ seem to be closer to my own than most others I've encountered.
I would however, like to invite you out to our mountain for a hunt.....death can be as beautiful as life. A release from the bondage of the physical realm and a beautiful return to source.
I look forward to the day I am again able to enter my true home. To kick off this old leather anchor and fly, to return to the constellation from which I came.
It's not death if it's embraced, it's just the return.
And my invite here to our home, the mountain, was an honest one. It's a special place. In fact it would be the perfect place for a revival of some kind.....maybe for a mystic Christian church......
In turn, I'd like to invite you to consider why you felt compelled to comment on my post to assert that death can be beautiful (after I made it abundantly clear that I find nothing beautiful about it), and to suggest that by killing an animal you're liberating it into some beautiful realm beyond the physical? And I'd also like you to consider that maybe "killing animals is a favor I do for them" is a lie you tell yourself to protect your ego from the horror of acknowledging your unnecessary commitment to bloodshed and brutality. My assumption is that you left this unproductive comment because, on some level, you're feeling defensive. But that's just my opinion, maaaan ✌🏽
Not at all! If my comment upset you I'm truly sorry. It was not meant to argumentative at all ❤️simply a different perspective and experience. I will refrain in the future.
What is the "Kingdom of God"? Can you define this for me, so that I can better understand your perspective in what it is we were told we can bring here?
I put it in quotes (I think) because it's not exactly that....I think the best explanation of it that Ive come across outside of the Bible(which I am no means an expert in) is Eckhart Tolle's book A New Earth. We as individuals are responsible for our own actions, if enough of us embrace the acceptance of what is, and live our lives in as Christlike a manor as possible, the collective consciousness of humanity can bring "heaven" to earth. I'm not sure we're ready for that though.....maybe one day.
Sure would be nice huh? I only say we arent ready for it simply based on the evening news.....one day. We win in the end, and everything will be OK. That much I'm sure of. The rest is timing. ❤️
Are you asking me or William? I don't recall saying "Kingdom of God," and if I did it was a mistake. I'm in the habit of saying Heaven or God's Free Energy Empire. And with my brief flash of availability at this moment, I'll just say I think of Heaven as the highest possible dimension, the bliss state, the presence of God, the utmost realm of light and life... there are many ways to describe it. And all of it can be experienced here and now, so I suspect that it's a state of being as much as a dimension. There's only so much I can say about what it is since I've only experienced glimpses of it personally. But i feel I'm gradually collapsing whatever i perceive as separating me from it...
Right on. I guess for me it's less about defending death but rather accepting it and looking forward to "what's next" I just can't accept the idea that this realm is all there is and honestly I'm hoping for a renewed "body" at some point.
Cheers. If you get your church up and running lmk please. I'll come check it out
The Good News is, this realm is *not* all there is, and there are ways to access other dimensions that don't require passing through the gates of death. I believe this is what Jesus meant when he said "heaven is in your midst" ✨️
I definitely can see your perspective, and I hope you get your church going. I'd love to have this conversation in person at your first meeting.
I always took that (heaven is on your midst) to mean that us as humans are capable of bringing the kingdom of God to earth through acceptance of what is, and by living out the Christ spirit in us all.
Again, my original comment wasn't meant to be rude. ❤️
I'm not upset by your comment, just matching your approach. I remain perpetually intrigued by how my discussions of deathless utopias compel people to attempt to defend death, and defend killing. Towards what end? I'm only inviting you to ask yourself that question.
The first step to any kind of social change, I believe, is accepting that a) we've been misled and b) such change is both necessary and more than possible.
I have greatly benefitted from your explorations in the realm of immortality and take so much solace that "It was never meant to be this way." Thank you for openly discussing what just may be the biggest deception of all. 🙏
The image at the end seems to associate Islam with "the Saturn death cult" because the Kaʿaba, which marks our direction of prayer and which we circumambulate in our pilgrimage, is a cube covered in a black cloth. What cubes have to do with Saturn is not quite clear to me from the image, except that there is a hexagonal cloud pattern on the planet Saturn, and a cube is a hexahedron-- I look forward to reading more from you about this, because I have generally agreed with your comments elsewhere about the problem with hunting for evil in shapes and symbols.
Anyway, all that aside, I feel that your understanding of Jesus perhaps has more in common with our beliefs about Jesus than with those of most Christians. For instance, your idea is that Jesus was trying to teach us that death is unnecessary-- but a fairly defining tenet of Christianity is that Jesus died and had to die in order to redeem humanity for our sins, whereas the Qurʾān states emphatically that "they neither killed him nor crucified him, but it was made to seem so to them" (4:157). Plus, we don't believe that Jesus is God or God's son as Christians do, so, while Jesus still has the special status of a Prophet, the idea that others can replicate Jesus' feats (such as raising the dead) is much more intuitive and unproblematic.
This may be jumping the gun a bit, as the text may be difficult to decipher without a base-level knowledge of Islam and the Qurʾān (it's even difficult for those who have one), but you may be interested in Ibn al-ʿArabī's Fuṣūṣ al-ḥikam (translated as "Ringstones of Wisdom," sometimes as "Seals" or "Bezels" of Wisdom), especially the chapter on Jesus. I recommend Caner Dagli's translation especially, for its footnotes.
To escape death, to escape Saturn, to escape the emotions and frequencies of disease, to escape the time lines of our adversaries, we have to change universe, collectively change the rules of the void, the God that all creatures and matter of this universe live under.
For we are all individual fractals of the oneness of the void.
Using scalar wave time warp cubes, is not exactly immortality, it can help you cheat death, there fore change the timelines to beat our adversaries. Our adversaries can tunnel back in time, yet they lack the imagination, to see different futures.
That's why we will win.
🙂😘
I like the way you think 🌌
Wooo boy. Okay. I feel compelled to make a general statement about how the comments played out today. I made the decision to block 2 people for how they responded with (what I perceived as) antagonism, and then removed the threads altogether when I felt our exchanges crossed the line into being totally irrelevant and counterproductive to the essay at hand, not to mention just plain insulting towards me personally. (One guy said he "felt sorry for me" that I'm interested in Immortality. Felt sorry for me because I like Living?? We really ARE in the Land of the Dead! Shit only a dead person could say, truly.)
But these exchanges got under my skin all day — which usually doesn't happen to me, because I've been writing on the Internet for a looooong time and consider my skin pretty thick!
So I went inward and asked myself, "Why am I triggered by these misunderstandings?"
And the answer I came up with, is that I'm disappointed.
I have a sincere curiosity & enthusiasm to explore the topic of Immortality. I also have a strong hope (or is it a burning desire? or is it a masochistic expectation?) that my sincerity will "bring out" that same curiosity & enthusiasm in my readers. I think, "This is the most exciting topic EVER! Surely there must be MANY other people who want to talk about it with me!"
So when I'm met with blind, reactive vitriol instead, I question why I even write on this topic.
But! A good idea is not hindered by anxieties about how it will be received. I am grateful for this trigger-fest, for inviting me to re-evaluate my expectations, and possibly change how I navigate "negative" comments in the future. Even after all these years of writing online, there's always room to change and grow, and I am choosing to be enlivened by that prospect rather than discouraged.
And I know that "my people" are out there, also seeking somebody who's eager to dive deep on this topic... somebody like me. So I must keep writing. I WILL keep writing. You can't find people who "speak your language" if you don't, well, speak. 💗
As humans, we have a dual nature. The physical/temporal and the spiritual. The physical/temporal is all about process of integration and disintegration. What humans call "death" is the disintegration of animated integrations that occurs in the process. I tend to think that's real and true -- Jesus, too, died from crucifixion -- but also think that our spiritual nature plays by different rules.
When asking whether it's in our nature to die, the answer is yes and no. I agree with you that too many people seem obsessed with the dying and also seem to split our dual nature by putting off the eternal aspects until after earthly life. The message of Christ is that death, though real, will not be the end of us, due to our dual nature.
I appreciate the time and care with which you wrote your comment, as that's fairly uncommon in conversations about immortality. However, this sentiment you ended with ("death, though real, will not be the end of us") is such a common refrain that I'm wondering if I should've started my Immortalist Church by addressing this sentiment before writing anything else.
I think I have a pretty good idea of why, generally, people automatically respond to my essays about physical immortality by reminding me that our SOULS are immortal (the implication being that pursuing bodily immortality, or even just talking about it, is a misguided endeavor on my part).
But after over a year of putting Immortalist content into the public eye, hearing this same sentiment over and over again (not from you specifically, but from many people) is starting to feel dismissive, or like a Collective deflection from the deeper conversation I'm attempting to have.
To some degree, I expect this deflection, because I know it's not *intended* as a deflection -- I see it more as a byproduct of the deep, deep conditioning we've all received around Death as an inevitability, and therefore I know I'm not personally being dismissed.
But to a higher degree, I also expect more of these conversations, because I feel the stirring in my soul to challenge anything that attempts to limit us. If we are just supposed to resign to Death as if it's our fate, why were 3 resurrection stories included in the Gospels? Why would God take the form of a man and bring people back to life physically, if only our souls are meant to be eternal?
All of this is to say: You can rest assured that I am not only aware that we have eternal souls, but that I have thoroughly, deeply, intricately considered the implications thereof. So I am asking you, in return, to consider that if I'm continuing to write elaborate essays about PHYSICAL immortality (specifically through the lens of Jesus Christ's teachings) after all this time, then there's a very purposeful reason I'm still motivated to do so -- and I've probably already considered the counter-points that may or may not be waiting at your fingertips.
I say that with sincere respect, as I have read a number of your essays and genuinely appreciate your heart-centered approach to Christianity.
Your article seemed to be about the essence of natures (and Nature) and of death:
> Death may not be necessary for Nature to function. ... 1. Nature as we currently experience it, isn’t necessarily all there is or all there ever has been. And, 2. we know what is possible based on what we’re able to conceive of in our imaginations.
It's an interesting topic, especially since human nature contains tension and apparent dissonance. We're immersed in process, but can crave permanence. We live linearly, but can do things like remember the past and imagine the future that bend the line in on itself. We have limitation, but can seek to test and expand those limits and wonder about limitlessness.
I'm new to your Substack; do you have some past writings where you define death and nature sufficiently for the task at hand?
I look forward to reading more of your posts.
Thank you for asking this question, because right up until this moment, I did not realize that the "Chrysticism" category is not visible on the mobile app. I'm so accustomed to using Substack on my desktop, where all my tagged series posts are in neat little rows. Just yesterday I added the "Immortalist Christian" posts to the new website I'm building, and the current hyperlink for those essays is this: https://immortalitychurch.wordpress.com/category/essays/
Congrats and blessings to you on your Baptism this summer, and for your journey away from an church upbringing that didn't point you toward the inexhaustible depth of Christ.
I read your Essays tab, and I haven't seen you define nature, Nature, or death. It makes it difficult to know what you're writing about. If death is so bad, what is it? Not how to people react to it, or how many derivatives can be made from it ("ego-death"), but what *is* it, deeply? What is the nature of a thing? What is Nature?
Thank you for pointing this out! I'll be sure to elaborate on these things in future essays
The first essay is at the bottom, and it's called "Questioning Death." You might choose to read in order from bottom to top, which is oldest to newest.
Completely agree. This video is my take on the same idea: https://megroekle.substack.com/p/truth-or-dare?r=r2wb4&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=audio-player
I saw both parents in death. It seems quite possible.
Most people don’t know the grim reaper is actually Saturn (ie Abraxas=the demiurge). The scythe he carries represents harvest… processing life for consumption. Everything here is based on consumption, which can’t be a good gods design. Meaning the real god never created death. Saturn is also the god of time. Scientists have already proved that aging is a disease.
💯! Thank yoo for this addition, Danielle.
I enjoy the way you think, and your ideas about Christ seem to be closer to my own than most others I've encountered.
I would however, like to invite you out to our mountain for a hunt.....death can be as beautiful as life. A release from the bondage of the physical realm and a beautiful return to source.
I look forward to the day I am again able to enter my true home. To kick off this old leather anchor and fly, to return to the constellation from which I came.
It's not death if it's embraced, it's just the return.
But that's just like, my opinion, maaaan. 😉
Go now, for there are other worlds than these.
-Roland Deschain
We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion.
-Maynard
And my invite here to our home, the mountain, was an honest one. It's a special place. In fact it would be the perfect place for a revival of some kind.....maybe for a mystic Christian church......
In turn, I'd like to invite you to consider why you felt compelled to comment on my post to assert that death can be beautiful (after I made it abundantly clear that I find nothing beautiful about it), and to suggest that by killing an animal you're liberating it into some beautiful realm beyond the physical? And I'd also like you to consider that maybe "killing animals is a favor I do for them" is a lie you tell yourself to protect your ego from the horror of acknowledging your unnecessary commitment to bloodshed and brutality. My assumption is that you left this unproductive comment because, on some level, you're feeling defensive. But that's just my opinion, maaaan ✌🏽
Not at all! If my comment upset you I'm truly sorry. It was not meant to argumentative at all ❤️simply a different perspective and experience. I will refrain in the future.
Sorry
What is the "Kingdom of God"? Can you define this for me, so that I can better understand your perspective in what it is we were told we can bring here?
I'll try. It's late and it's been a long day....
I put it in quotes (I think) because it's not exactly that....I think the best explanation of it that Ive come across outside of the Bible(which I am no means an expert in) is Eckhart Tolle's book A New Earth. We as individuals are responsible for our own actions, if enough of us embrace the acceptance of what is, and live our lives in as Christlike a manor as possible, the collective consciousness of humanity can bring "heaven" to earth. I'm not sure we're ready for that though.....maybe one day.
Why aren't we ready for that? In a way, no one is truly ready for anything until we look back in hindsight.
Wouldn't it be our aim and purpose to bring that Heaven to the here and now? And doesn't heaven end death?
Sure would be nice huh? I only say we arent ready for it simply based on the evening news.....one day. We win in the end, and everything will be OK. That much I'm sure of. The rest is timing. ❤️
Are you asking me or William? I don't recall saying "Kingdom of God," and if I did it was a mistake. I'm in the habit of saying Heaven or God's Free Energy Empire. And with my brief flash of availability at this moment, I'll just say I think of Heaven as the highest possible dimension, the bliss state, the presence of God, the utmost realm of light and life... there are many ways to describe it. And all of it can be experienced here and now, so I suspect that it's a state of being as much as a dimension. There's only so much I can say about what it is since I've only experienced glimpses of it personally. But i feel I'm gradually collapsing whatever i perceive as separating me from it...
Btw thanks for blocking me.....😂
Oh sorry, that meant to say thanks for NOT blocking me lol I really need to start proofreading comments 😂
Who blocked you?? Not me!
Apologies, I was aiming my question at William.
I love how you described it!!
Right on. I guess for me it's less about defending death but rather accepting it and looking forward to "what's next" I just can't accept the idea that this realm is all there is and honestly I'm hoping for a renewed "body" at some point.
Cheers. If you get your church up and running lmk please. I'll come check it out
The Good News is, this realm is *not* all there is, and there are ways to access other dimensions that don't require passing through the gates of death. I believe this is what Jesus meant when he said "heaven is in your midst" ✨️
I definitely can see your perspective, and I hope you get your church going. I'd love to have this conversation in person at your first meeting.
I always took that (heaven is on your midst) to mean that us as humans are capable of bringing the kingdom of God to earth through acceptance of what is, and by living out the Christ spirit in us all.
Again, my original comment wasn't meant to be rude. ❤️
I'm not upset by your comment, just matching your approach. I remain perpetually intrigued by how my discussions of deathless utopias compel people to attempt to defend death, and defend killing. Towards what end? I'm only inviting you to ask yourself that question.
The first step to any kind of social change, I believe, is accepting that a) we've been misled and b) such change is both necessary and more than possible.
I have greatly benefitted from your explorations in the realm of immortality and take so much solace that "It was never meant to be this way." Thank you for openly discussing what just may be the biggest deception of all. 🙏
Indeed, death is the biggest deception of all, because Saturn is Satan, and Satan is the father of lies (John 8:44).